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Who made God? Part 1
Christian Answer:
Who made God?
I especially appreciate this question since it was asked by my four
year-old son.
So, Sean the answer to your question is no one made God because God made
everything. It makes sense to think that everything had to be created by
something, so it is a good question to ask who made God. But, since
everything has to have a beginning, something (or someone) had to exist
to start everything. That is, someone (God) was there before the
universe began, before time in order to give everything a start. This is
the only reasonable way we can explain everything that we see.
Authors Opinion:
Could you imagine answering a question, without doing any research?
Providing someone with an answer, even though you don't know for sure,
100%, you're correct.
Isn't this the core of Christian teachings? A young child asks you a
question and then you provide them with an answer, even though it might
not be right.
In case you haven't noticed, this is actually the first article that
provides us with something tangible. The author's son asked him a
question and then we actually received an answer, this actually could be
a miracle.
The author tells us that no one made God, without providing any rational
evidence, to support his claim. This is Christianity in a nutshell and
is the perfect example, of someone's opinion, that could easily get
twisted into someone else's reality, if they aren't paying attention.
Who made God? Part 2
Christian Answer:
Let’s look at this another way. If there was not God to start
everything, then that must mean that everything has always been here
without a beginning. That does not make sense.
Authors Opinion:
Now were going to look at it another way, but were still lacking
rational evidence. In the first section of the article, the author
states, something can not come from nothing, therefore, there must be a
creator.
Maybe I finally figured it out, it isn't the rational minded atheists,
who have finite ways of thinking, but Christians who view themselves as
rational minded individuals.
Who made God? Part 3
Christian Answer:
It does make sense, however, to believe that God was there before
everything and that He created everything, including, by the way, time.
Authors Opinion:
It might make sense to someone who wants to desperately believe, God
created the world, but again, “Where's the evidence.” Again, let's just
say that there was a God who created everything and the author of this
article is correct.
If that's the case, then we still need to think about, the other
possibilities. Which God was the original creator? Could the God of the
Holy Bible have been created by the same creator, of everything?
Would it be possible for Jehovah, the God of the Old Testament, to have
brothers and sisters, aunts and uncles and even off spring? It's hard
for me to imagine the arrogance, of any religious follower who makes a
similar claim, like they actually know what they're talking about, their
God and only their God, created the universe.
If you think about what this author is actually saying, in this one
particular sentence, he could be right. “It does make sense, however, to
believe,” if you think about it, it might make sense to believe,
focusing on the word believe, but it wouldn't be the absolute truth.
There's a big difference between the word believe and the word know.
Who made God? Part 4
Christian Answer:
Before time, God was alive and He decided to create the whole world (the
universe) so He started off His Bible saying, “In the beginning God
created…” So, asking who made God really does not make sense since He is
the Maker of all things.
Authors Opinion:
Now were back to things I've already discussed. Is the author telling us
that they have prior knowledge, of creation? Before time God was alive
and then decided to create the whole world and the universe and then of
course there is the ultimate undeniable proof,” In the beginning, God
created the heavens and the earth.”
Don't worry, this is the last article I'm going to examine, because by
now, you should have a good idea, what’s going on. It doesn't do a lot
of good, to make claims about anything, without any rational evidence,
to support them.
But then the author says, “so asking who made God really doesn't make
any sense”, but it's a valid question and should be asked. I think what
the author is trying to say is that they don't think it's a valid
question that needs to be asked, because they believe, the story.
God didn't build my house and God isn’t writing this book, so God isn't
the maker of all things. So, I guess it does make sense, to ask, who
made God?
Who made God? Part 5
Christian Answer:
It’s like asking, “How many corners does your ball have?” In order for
something to be a ball it cannot have corners, can it? In the same way,
in order for God to be the Maker of everything no one or nothing could
have made Him, could it?
Authors Opinion:
Somehow I can't compare the corners of a ball, to the Creator, of the
universe. There are plenty of other things that do not have corners and
are not balls, but let's see where the author is going with this.
This makes a lot of sense, in order for God to be the maker, of
everything, then no one could have made him. Unless the author has prior
knowledge of the existence of God, then someone could have actually made
him.
Again, there are other possibilities, these aren't the only ones and if
you're not going to bother to explore the rest, then you can plan on
limiting your knowledge on the subject and never reaching a rational
conclusion.
Who made God? Part 6
Christian Answer:
While this answer seems to have satisfied Sean, many have trouble
accepting this simple logic.
Authors Opinion:
I hate to continue and disagree with the author, but I think there are a
lot of people, who accept this simple logic and they're called
Christians, Jews and Muslims. If this simple logic wasn't accepted, by a
large percentage of the world's population, then these religions
wouldn't exist.
However, I would agree with the author, if he was talking about rational
minded individuals. Yes, it's extremely difficult for someone who has
the ability to think rationally, to accept all of the information, they
hear, every single day as the absolute truth.
I could probably convince anyone under the age of six, to believe
practically anything, including my own version, of God's creation, but
it might not be the truth.
Who made God? Part 7
Christian Answer:
An atheist will refuse to accept that the universe has a logical First
Cause.
Authors Opinion:
I find this hard to believe. You can't be an atheist if you believe in
God and if the author is suggesting that an atheist will refuse to
accept the idea that God created the universe, then he has a valid
point.
I’ve talked to plenty of atheists who will listen to practically
anything you can throw at them, but often get frustrated, when the
information they're listening to, doesn't make any sense.
If the author could provide enough rational satisfactory evidence, to
support their claims about any so-called logical first cause and it
actually made sense. I sincerely believe, most atheists would be
extremely interested, in this information, but that isn't the case, is
it.
Who made God? Part 8
Christian Answer:
A common explanation of atheists like the late Carl Sagan and Isaac
Asimov is that the universe had no beginning. As Bertrand Russell put
it, "The universe is just there, and that's all."
Authors Opinion:
The authors got a good point and again that's why I'm not an atheist,
because I don't have any proof, that God doesn't exist. However, if
there isn't any rational proof that God exists, then why would any
intelligent person, tell us that God does exist.
This brings me to my next point, if something exists and you don't know
where it came from, then you have two choices, it was always here and
never had a beginning or it wasn't and had a beginning.
There are plenty of people who won't waste any more time on this subject
and I believe that's where these individuals stood. It would be
extremely difficult to gather enough rational evidence, to prove, who
created the universe or whether or not the universe was even created.
Who can argue with this rational point, “The universe is just there and
that's it.” If we can’t figure it out, then let’s work with what we
have, until we have more.
Who made God? Part 9
Christian Answer:
This appears to solve the problem for them because without a beginning a
cause is not necessary. However, this explanation violates the most
fundamental laws of science, the First and Second Laws of
Thermodynamics.
The First Law states that matter can neither be created nor destroyed.
Since matter cannot be created from nothing in the natural realm, there
must be something (or someone) outside of time to give it a beginning.
Thus, the supernatural explanation of a Creator seems to emerge which,
of course, an atheist will philosophically oppose.
Authors Opinion:
I don't think this would solve any problems, because most scientists
think rationally and would probably have a valid explanation, for their
reasons. A statement like,” the universe is just there and that's it,
doesn't put us one step closer, to answering the question about God's
creation or the creation of the universe.
If Carl Sagan and Isaac Asimov said that the universe doesn't have a
beginning, without providing any rational evidence, then they're just
guessing or providing us with their opinion. Remember, in order to solve
something rationally, the evidence will need to be undeniable and cannot
produce any type of rational doubts.
Furthermore, the first or second laws of thermodynamics, don't provide
us with a solution, to our question, “Who created God?” If this
statement is correct and nothing can be created or destroyed and the
universe always existed, then there wouldn't be a Creator.
Who made God? Part 10
Christian Answer:
The Second Law states that all systems, if left to themselves, move from
a state of order to disorder. Thus, the best conclusion is that the
universe must have started with a lot of energy and is now running down.
Authors Opinion:
Is the author suggesting that anything in order will eventually become
out of order? The best conclusion is that the universe must have started
with a lot of energy and is now running down, doesn't even put us back
to square one.
Somehow I wouldn't consider this to be the best conclusion, because the
original question is who made God? It would be practically impossible to
use the second Law of thermodynamics, to find an answer to our question?
Who made God? Part 11
Christian Answer:
Considering these basic laws of science, logic compels us to conclude
that the universe had a beginning and thus that which has a beginning
has a cause.
Authors Opinion:
Am I missing something here, the author must have misunderstood the
first laws of thermodynamics. If matter cannot be created or destroyed
and the universe always existed, then no one would have created it.
The only way we could give a Creator any credit at all, would be if they
actually created something. Is the author suggesting that every thing
always existed, they just weren’t shaped as planets, stars, and
creatures?
How can anything have a beginning, if it always existed? If matter
always existed, but would need to be assembled by a Creator, then we
could use this point to argue that God could have been created in a
similar manner.
Who made God? Part 12
Christian Answer:
The logical First Cause to everything is the God of the Bible.
Authors Opinion:
I probably shouldn't say this, but I'm going to say it anyway. I don't
think we should use the word logical or Bible in the same sentence, ever
again. As a matter of fact, maybe we should also add the words
Christianity, Christian and religion, to the list.
The logical first cause to everything could be something else. The
logical first cause to everything could be some type of explosion or
implosion. The truth is we don't have a rational explanation that would
provide us with the absolute truth, about the first cause.
The author should have said, the logical first cause to everything,
isn't known today or supported by any rational satisfactory scientific
evidence. I could speculate all day long, but at the end of the day, all
I'm going to have is more speculation.
Who made God? Part 13
Christian Answer:
For example, the First Cause of endless time must be eternal in nature;
the First Cause of infinite complexity must be infinitely intelligent;
the First Cause of love must love; the First Cause of life must be
living. Scientists continually think in terms of cause-and-effect. Why
then, do so many scientists seem to reject the obvious First Cause to
the universe; why is God so widely denied and ignored?
Authors Opinion:
Here's a question I think I can actually answer. Why do so many
scientists reject the obvious first cause of the universe, which
suggests that God created the universe?
Because there isn't enough rational evidence to support this claim. If
there was, then I wouldn't be writing this book and you probably
wouldn't be reading it.
I know this is going to be hard to accept, for some, but rational
evidence is usually supported by confirmed observations, which can no
longer be denied, by anyone who has the ability to think rationally.
If I told you that the world is going to end tomorrow and provided you
with enough information, to convince you that I was telling the truth
and it didn't happen, what would you think?
What if I told you that I made a mistake and the world was going to end,
in another year, but when it didn't happen, what would you think?
What if I convinced you one more time, to believe my story, but this
time, told you that the world was going to end five years from now, but
it didn't, what would you think?
There comes a point in someone's life, when they either need to shit or
get off the pot and that's where were at, in this book. You can continue
to believe everything you hear or start doing some research and actually
verify what you hear.
If it doesn't make sense, but sounds like you can make sense out of it,
then you need to do the research, to actually make sense, out of the
nonsense.
Who made God? Part 14
Christian Answer:
It becomes obvious that evidence alone cannot bring acceptance to those
who are set against believing it.
Authors Opinion:
I disagree, if you had enough rational evidence, then you should be able
to convince a rational person. However, I'm sure, there are a few, who
wouldn't even want to look at it, but it wouldn't make them rational.
Evidence or should I say rational evidence is the key to providing
anyone with the absolute truth about anything. Intelligent people,
including intelligent Christians, use rational evidence every day, with
the exception, of their religious beliefs.
It doesn't make a lot of sense to believe in an invisible God, yet
millions of people do. If I told these same people, that they could pray
to God, for anything and eventually receive it, even though they might
not ever receive it, during this lifetime, they would probably remain
hopeful.
It doesn't make any sense to believe in an invisible God.
It also doesn't make any sense to pray for something, you won't ever
receive.
Who made God? Part 15
Christian Answer:
Without faith the evidence will be ignored: "And without faith it is
impossible to please Him, for He who comes to God must believe that he
is, and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him" Hebrews 11:6. "The
fool has said in his heart, 'There is no God'" Psalm 14:1; 53:1.
Authors Opinion:
With faith you don't need evidence, therefore you can ignore all of it.
I was waiting for this, the author seems like a fundamental Christian,
who believes, the Bible has all of the answers.
God is a rewarder, you just have to do all the work. I've never met one
Christian who received everything in life, simply by saying a few
prayers or believing in Jesus or Jehovah.
I'm actually a good example of it. I prayed for things and never
received them. Instead, I write books to make Christians think about
some other ridiculous things they believe. Is this my reward or will I
be rewarded latter with royalties, from book sales?
I believe, one of the most disappointing things any Christian can hear,
from one of its leaders or another Christian is,” God will take care of
you or there is a reason why, this is happening, but only God knows
why.”
We can talk about God all we want to. We can believe in his glory and
splendor and have all the faith we want to, but until we actually prove
that God exists, then we would only be living in a world, of
make-believe.
Who made God? Part 16
Christian Answer:
The source of all meaning and reality is found in the ultimate First
Cause. Romans 1:18-20 describes the fate of those who suppress the truth
(verse 18) which is evident (verse 19) in the logical First Cause
revealed through what has been made (verse 20).
Authors Opinion:
Could the author provide us with a little evidence? “Romans 1:18-20
describes the fate of those who suppress the truth, which is evident,”
then provide us with a few examples.
What exactly will happen to those who suppress the truth and has it ever
happened? If it hasn't ever happened and it might not ever happen,
because it hasn't happened yet, then why worry about it?
Unless these Bible verses can be validated, the author is just wasting
our time.
Who made God? Part 17
Christian Answer:
"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness
and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,
because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God
made it evident to them.
Authors Opinion:
What wrath of God and when was it revealed? What exactly is known about
God or evident within them? If God made it evident, then why can't the
author, provide us with a crystal-clear interpretation that could not be
rationally doubted?
It sounds like the author is trying to use fear, to support his agenda.
If you don't know the answer yourself, then you might not be part of the
club, so if you know what's best for you, then you better pretend like
you do.
If you don't want to burn in hell and be tortured for eternity, then you
better pretend like you know, for a fact, beyond any shadow of a doubt,
that God is the creator of the universe. Fear is extremely effective at
keeping weak minded individuals in line, yet seems to have a difficult
time, working forever.
Who made God? Part 18
Christian Answer:
For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His
eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being
understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse."
Authors Opinion:
I wonder if the author knows what an oxymoron is? How could we possibly
see his invisible attributes? His eternal power and divine nature have
been clearly seen, yet they're invisible.
I think I finally found something I agree with. If God's powers and
everything he does are invisible and no one can see God doing anything,
then we can give God all of the credit.
Last night, I ate a meal supplied by God and it was fantastic. Tomorrow
I’m going to the church that was built by God and give God back some of
his money, he gave me, to give to them.
That doesn’t make any sense, why not eliminate the middle man and next
time, just keep the money.
Who made God? Part 19
Christian Answer:
The question, "Who made God?" is a natural and commonly asked question
because our minds are finite and we understand the concept of creating
something out of pre-existing material. Thus, we cannot comprehend
infinity and eternity prior to the existence of time.
Authors Opinion:
I understand where the author's going, but I think we could comprehend
infinity and eternity if it was actually explained to us, correctly. If
the Creator made us in his image, according to the first chapter of
Genesis, then why wouldn't we understand?
To me, it's the ultimate copout, for Christianity. God created
everything, but we can't understand how he did it. You just need to have
faith and believe that God created everything, even though it doesn’t
make sense.
Is God actually afraid of his own creation? The moment we understand how
God created everything, we will become creators and will no longer need
to worship God.
Who made God? Part 20
Christian Answer:
What we cannot comprehend we must believe.
Authors Opinion:
“What we cannot comprehend,” simply means that we cannot comprehend, at
this moment, in time. When I was five years old, I couldn't even drive a
car, but eventually learned how to.
I can't currently comprehend the inability of Christians, to examine
rational evidence, but hope to, some day. This takes us back to the
statement made by Bertrand Russell,” The universe is here and that's
all.”
Just because we cannot comprehend the origins of the universe, doesn't
mean that we need to accept the best possible explanation.
Just because a large majority of people living on the planet, Muslims,
Jews and Christians, believe and I want to focus on the word believe
that the planet was created by Jehovah, doesn't make it a fact.
Who made God? Part 21
Christian Answer:
We are left with two options: we can believe with blind faith in
eternal, uncaused, infinite, chaotic matter producing the universe we
live in, or we can believe in the logical conclusion of the created
universe, God, who existed independent of pre-existing matter or the
natural processes which He Himself created.
Authors Opinion:
There are other options, but the author is only going to provide us with
any of them. If you’re going to use blind faith, you can believe
anything and it really doesn't matter, what you believe, because you
will be using faith, blindly.
The author almost sounds like his point is self-evident and anyone, with
a brain, knows he’s right. The first option is to believe that God
didn't create the universe or you can use the one that makes sense and
believe he did.
I hope I wasn't too hard on any of these authors, but they like myself,
entered the arena simply by writing the articles. I will not be offended
in any way, if anyone decides to comment on this book or any portions of
it.
By now you should be thinking and that's all I really wanted.
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